We jump into the future with Jonathan Martin, this is our second conversation, but first podcast, with our dear friend. Eye opening and surprising...
Ps. Poncho Murguia is the Senior Pastor of Cruz de Gracia in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, a city notorious for violent crime and drug cartels....
[Lisa's Website](https://www.lisasharonharper.com) [Lisa's book "The Very Good Gospel"](https://www.amazon.com.au/Very-Good-Gospel-Everything-Wrong/dp/160142857X) Our friend's new podcast! [The Good Vote](https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-good-vote/id1461426092)